Safety At Competitions

Discussion in 'The Chat Room' started by Stephen, Oct 28, 2014.

By Stephen on Oct 28, 2014 at 7:57 AM
  1. Stephen

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    With the 3DX and F3C competitions coming up I wanted to get others thoughts on safety.

    A little background for those not from Australia we have a 9 meter rules where a model, under MAAA rules, can't be flown closer than meters to the pilot.

    MAAA MOP014 6.5 Helicopter Flying: The MAAA requires that helicopters flying outdoors are not to be flown any closer than 9 metres to all pilots operating at the time.

    The F3C schedule has a set of hovering moves which are performed at 10 m away from the pilot. This is all good and >9m away until the slow piros get out of shape and you can very quickly get <9m away especially if the wind is directly at you. The rules have recently been rewritten for this competition too.
    My question here is why is the circle set at 10m from the pilot and not say 15m giving that little bit more leeway to account for errors that do happen, especially at sportsman level.

    Next is the 3DX which has the follwoing int he K1.5 Auto description: "The manoeuvre will show consistent height loss, uniform forward speed and land as close as possible to a marker positioned 3m in front of the pilot on the field centreline."
    My question here is how can we fly to a circle only 3m away when the minimum distance under MAAA rules is 9m? Surely this represents an unreasonable breach of this rule and safe flight, why do we create moves that are in clear breach of the MAAA MOPs?

    I am all for competition flying as well as safety, what does everyone else think?
     
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Discussion in 'The Chat Room' started by Stephen, Oct 28, 2014.

    1. smakmeharder

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      Actually the wind blowing in your face is a BIG cause of safety issues. It pushes the helicopter closer and closer to you and before you know it there are things you have to deal with immediately. If there is one thing i can advise beginners, and that is allways have the wind at your back. And another issue is, while you are flying - how do you know how far 10meters is? The helicopter can move back and forward (in the case of 3d) that fast and its just judgement, no line in the sky - only a guess..
       
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    2. Ant

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      Stephen. In an F3C competition, the judges are 6m behind the pilot/caller. This puts them 15m from the flags already.

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      The wind blowing in your face is the most undesired condition anyone would like to fly in. I will repeat myself and say that if you are uncomfortable with the conditions, don't fly. We hold competitions/funfly's to promote F3C style flying, but the important factor is to have fun. Sportsman and Advanced have tail in hovering maneuvers with Advanced having one side on one. This would be the one where the wind in your face would prove to be an issue, but the model is moving most of the time and should be controllable. By the time a pilot reaches Expert, he/she should be able to cope.

      What we also need to remember is that there are seriously big differences between F3C hovering and 3D maneuvers on the 10m line. Because F3C is carried out at a controlled rate, it is much easier for the pilot to notice and correct any drift. I agree that for some of the 3D flying, moving the flightline out further would increase the safety margin. It is also up to the pilot to fly in a safe manner and not all pilots keep to the 10m rule.
       
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      Yes its true that alot of the safety in 3d is determined by how the pilot executes the moves. I am going to release a movie about safe 3d flying. IMO one of the most important things is to keep your finger on the kill switch ALL the time. When the kill switch is thrown, heli blades will depower quite quickly.
       
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    4. BladeBandit

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      Most people would say I fly too far away from myself... That being said I fear helis when spotting I am very quick to point out the 9 metre rule.
       
    5. smakmeharder

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      So how close was my tail less heli on the weekend? After it lost the boom it came pretty close...
       
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      Probably 6 or so at it's closest. U regained control of a boom less heli and pushed it another 4 or 5 away. I got quite scared initially. A lesser skilled pilot wouldn't have done so well. In saying that you were flying at a safe distance away before the incident. Had it happened closer it could have been worse. You did everything right!
       
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      Except for stopping my heli from exploding....Didnt do that one so well....


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      U were pushing the limits and for that we salute you
       

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